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#xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 23 Sep at 20:00 — 20:42 UTC
Full logs at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-09-23-20.00.log.html
Meeting summary
Open action items
The discussion about "Open action items" started at 20:01.
Team updates
The discussion about "Team updates" started at 20:04.
marketing team created a Donations page for folks who want to know how to finacially support Xubuntu http://xubuntu.org/donations/
- ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu was updated for 14.10
- recent uploads: xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-default-settings, xubuntu-docs, catfish, menulibre, light-locker-settings
- Core Testing - that's worked out nicely and we've had more reports for that than beta 1
- 14.10 installations on virtual machines are still broken, QA team looks into it
- Elfy will be cross
ACTION: Team to test beta regardless of lightdm issue - it can be booted to desktop afterwards - workaround is on the mailing list
- lightdm bug only appears to be affecting vm's
- b2 tests - hardware entire and auto-resize are priority if possible
Discussion items
The discussion about "Discussion items" started at 20:23.
QA Incentives (20:24)
Announcements
The discussion about "Announcements" started at 20:35.
- Beta 2 on the 25th
skellat remains on AskUbuntu patrol and even brought up an issue there relative to our flavor: http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/11946/tagging-xubuntu-when-ubuntu-is-meant
All affecting freezes are added to the team calendar at http://xubuntu.org/team-calendar/
Questions that need answering if people are not busy: http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/xubuntu
ACTION: slickymaster to schedule the next meeting.
Action items, by person
- slickymaster
- slickymaster to schedule the next meeting.
People present (lines said)
- knome (66)
- elfy (47)
- Unit193 (34)
- ochosi (30)
- bluesabre0 (16)
- pleia2 (12)
- skellat (11)
- slickymaster (9)
- meetingology (8)
Full Log
20:00 <Unit193> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
20:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 23 20:00:35 2014 UTC. The chair is Unit193. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
20:00 <meetingology>
20:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
20:00 <Unit193> #chair ochosi knome
20:00 <Unit193> Howdy and welcome to the Xubuntu community meeting. Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
20:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 knome ochosi
20:00 <elfy> pfft
20:00 <pleia2> o/
20:01 <bluesabre0> o/
20:01 <slickymaster> o/
20:01 <knome> o/
20:01 <ochosi> o/
20:01 <bluesabre0> connection is shaky, but I'm here
20:01 <Unit193> Think that's everyone.
20:01 <Unit193> #topic Open action items
20:02 <Unit193> So we have: Review artwork for UIF that done then?
20:02 <ochosi> yup
20:02 <knome> yep
20:02 <Unit193> So, do we #done that?
20:03 <knome> if you wish, or just not mention it
20:03 <ochosi> yeah, let's just never speak of this again
20:03 <Unit193> Then: marketing team to support Xfce's bug bounty program by informing people via website and social media
20:04 <ochosi> i did see something about that on g+
20:04 <ochosi> pleia2?
20:04 <Unit193> I remember seeing something earlier this week on that.
20:04 <pleia2> oh yes, that's done
20:04 <pleia2> #done marketing team social mediaed the bounty program
20:04 <slickymaster> lol
20:04 <Unit193> Yey!
20:04 <Unit193> #topic Team updates
20:05 <Unit193> Free for all.
20:05 <knome> there was somebody whining about that in twitter
20:05 <elfy> awesome - we get a new word too
20:05 <knome> the bounty program, not team updates
20:05 <Unit193> bluesabre0: Recent uploads?
20:05 <knome> they were concerned that "rich people" just get their feature requests landed and it makes xubuntu less equal..
20:06 <bluesabre0> recent uploads: xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-default-settings, xubuntu-docs
20:06 <Unit193> Heh, that's upstream Xfce, not really Xubuntu feature requests.
20:06 <knome> Unit193, yes.
20:06 <Unit193> bluesabre0: #info ?
20:06 <pleia2> #info marketing team created a Donations page for folks who want to know how to finacially support Xubuntu http://xubuntu.org/donations/
20:07 <ochosi> knome: really? i guess i should get a twitter account one day...
20:07 <knome> #info ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu was updated for 14.10
20:07 <bluesabre0> #info recent uploads: xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-default-settings, xubuntu-docs, catfish, menulibre, light-locker-settings
20:07 <slickymaster> pink ftw
20:07 <Unit193> elfy: Anything from QA?
20:07 <elfy> yep
20:07 <ochosi> #info Everything is now pink!
20:07 <ochosi> #undo
20:07 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO
20:07 <ochosi>
20:08 <elfy> #info Core Testing - that's worked out nicely and we've had more reports for that than beta 1
20:08 <Unit193> Wow.
20:08 <ochosi> \o/
20:08 <ochosi> congrats Unit193 and elfy
20:08 <knome> #info 14.10 installations on virtual machines are still broken, QA team looks into it
20:09 <elfy> # Beta 2 testing - currently everyone is having problems with lightdm - possibly going to get some respins
20:09 <knome> yes, good work!
20:09 <elfy> BUT
20:09 <elfy> I do not want that to stop people testing - it's not an excuse for team to not test
20:09 <elfy> I hope we get better reports from us for this beta
20:10 <elfy> #info Elfy will be cross
20:10 <ochosi> :}
20:10 <bluesabre0> haha
20:10 <ochosi> well first we need betas that run post-install i guess
20:11 <elfy> #action Team to test beta regardless of lightdm issue - it can be booted to desktop afterwards - workaround is on the mailing list 20:11 * meetingology Team to test beta regardless of lightdm issue - it can be booted to desktop afterwards - workaround is on the mailing list
20:11 <slickymaster> I don't see a reason why post-install shouldn't be runned
20:11 <Unit193> elfy: You seem to have missed '#info'.
20:11 <knome> elfy, i've zsynced stuff and scheduled time for tomorrow, so unless something really critical work-related pops up..
20:11 <bluesabre0> any word from lightdm folks about a possible fix before thursday?
20:11 <knome> slickymaster, s/runned/ran/
20:11 <elfy> bluesabre0: I've not asked
20:11 <slickymaster> yeah
20:11 <bluesabre0> ok
20:11 <ochosi> bluesabre0: last time i looked, robert was still asking for logs
20:11 <elfy> knome: yea - I understand - but we've got till Thursday evening - tomorrow is only Wednesday
20:11 <knome> bluesabre0, we've been talking about this in #ubuntu-quality, so people know our concerns...
20:11 <ochosi> which seemingly aren't there
20:12 <knome> elfy, yes, about thursday i'm not so sure so better do something tomorrow
20:12 <elfy> ochosi: you can't get lightdm logs at the point of fail
20:12 <bluesabre0> yeah, no logs are generated
20:12 <ochosi> yup
20:12 <ochosi> isn't that what i said?
20:12 <knome> somebody said lightdm wasn't even starting in ubuntu
20:12 <ochosi> at least we're not the only ones...
20:12 <elfy> ochosi: you said thaqt when I was typing
20:12 <elfy>
20:12 <knome> ochosi, repetitio mater studiorum est
20:13 <elfy> knome: lightdm in vm isn't starting for anyone
20:13 <ochosi> knome: right, and variatio delectat (i.e. say it in as many ways as possible)
20:13 <elfy> #info lightdm bug only appears to be affecting vm's
20:13 <knome> ochosi, and: quod scripsi, scripsi (elfy's reply)
20:14 <ochosi> knome: hehe, let's continue the latin-battle post-meeting
20:14 <knome> elfy, i mean if it's not starting, how could it produce logs
20:14 <elfy> oh right
20:14 <elfy> anyway - all from me for now
20:14 <Unit193> Alright. That it for team updates? Seems the discussion iteams were talked about last time, need to rehash still?
20:14 <knome> unless it was crashing at startup
20:14 <ochosi> elfy: if i'm not mistaken, jjfrv8 said he also saw it on one of two hw installs
20:14 <knome> hr hr :|
20:15 <elfy> oh one more thing from me
20:15 <elfy> #info b2 tests - hardware entire and auto-resize are priority if possible
20:16 <knome> i *might* be able to run one
20:16 <elfy> knome: I don't see any reports from jjfrv8 re fails
20:17 <knome> elfy, i wasn't the one who said that
20:17 <elfy> knome: ack
20:17 <knome> but i saw jjfrv8 saying that
20:17 <elfy> well it's not reported as such
20:17 <knome> 16:06 jjfrv8: Not sure if I have a new bug or not. After 64-bit install, I get a black screen and can't do anything. After power off/on, get a kernel panic screen. 20:17 * skellat checks in rather late for the meeting
20:17 <bluesabre0> no extra machines for me atm...
20:17 <slickymaster> but he didn't report any failures in the tracker
20:17 <knome> wait, you saw it as well elfy..
20:17 <knome> aha
20:17 <elfy> yea saw that
20:18 <Unit193> Same here, bluesabre0.
20:18 <elfy> but I'm not going to remember all that people say when I'm not here - I'll be working from the tracker
20:18 <knome> fair engouh
20:18 <knome> enough too
20:18 <bluesabre0>
20:18 <ochosi> yeah, i agree, ppl should report their tests
20:19 <knome> jack usually reports, so maybe that was some kind of mistake
20:19 <elfy> knome: yep agreed
20:19 <ochosi> elfy: i don't have an extra computer at the moment, so auto-resize and entire won't be doable for me on hw
20:20 <elfy> I think if people are seeing lightdm fails in hardware it's really important to note it in the bug
20:20 <elfy> ochosi: same here - the one I usually use is dead atm
20:21 <knome> elfy, i guess one more bug to file against the tracker... notifications per product
20:22 <elfy> not sure I understand - but we could have 5 mins later if you've time
20:23 <Unit193> Alright, so if there are no objections, I believe we'll move on.
20:23 <elfy> wfm
20:23 <Unit193> #topic Discussion items
20:23 <Unit193> #subtopic Review and discuss default configuration
20:24 <bluesabre0> I think thats done and over with... unless there are any other complaints?
20:24 <Unit193> #undo
20:24 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: SUBTOPIC
20:24 <Unit193> #subtopic QA Incentives
20:24 <knome> yeah, that's fine.
20:25 <elfy> has anyone anything else to add to that discussion?
20:25 <Unit193> Agenda had further discussion on that one, so figured might be.
20:25 <knome> qa incentives?
20:25 <skellat> Nothing at this point from my end so far
20:26 <ochosi> elfy: wanna #info the link to the pad again?
20:26 <elfy> knome: http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive
20:26 <elfy> ochosi: :p
20:26 <knome> i think it's a good idea as long as we clearly decide what we will be offering and make sure we have the resources to get those.
20:26 <elfy> #info http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive
20:26 <ochosi> well line 39 still needs and answer imo
20:27 <ochosi> just to know how far we would get and how soon we would have to think of new ways to get funding
20:29 <knome> i'd say 3-4 cycles.
20:29 <knome> depending how much stickers we can get for free during that period
20:29 <knome> plus the books
20:30 <pleia2> stickers and books are pretty much immediately available, t-shirts take longer
20:30 <knome> yes
20:30 <skellat> Pursuant to all sorts of US federal regulations, I have to formally stipulate that I am not giving tax advice or tax law counsel with respect to any discussion of financial matters.
20:30 <skellat> That being said, we do need to ensure that while we do this we do not also create any liabilities for anybody. It may be a small amount of money now but planning ahead is appropriate.
20:30 <skellat> Besides, can we do some other form of trinket like ink pens in addition to stickers?
20:30 <skellat> Or even key fobs?
20:31 <pleia2> can add ideas to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects
20:31 <knome> unixstickers.com currently handles the stickers, so if we wanted some other office stuff, we'd need to get a vendor
20:31 <pleia2> but finding high quality vendors is a whole process
20:31 <knome> yes, especially considering the shipping can't be $50 to europe.
20:31 <knome> or the US.
20:32 <skellat> That's why I wanted to throw the ideas out there
20:32 <bluesabre0> yeah, looking at you ubuntu store
20:32 <knome> pleia2, do you still have the ping-pong-ball machine?
20:32 <elfy> I'd be inclined to stick with what we have for the moment and carry on thinking - we can always add later
20:32 <ochosi> weeee, ping-pong balls
20:32 <ochosi> yeah
20:32 <knome> as a conclusion,
20:32 <ochosi> i agree
20:32 <elfy> it's more about recognition in my opinion than what it is physically
20:32 <knome> i think it's ok to give away anything as prizes that are official marketing assets
20:33 <knome> yes, that
20:33 <pleia2> I do
20:33 <elfy> you do what?
20:33 <pleia2> have the ping pong ball machine!
20:33 <knome> pleia2, then that's one relatively cheap option.
20:33 <elfy> pleia2: aah
20:33 <knome> i can even make custom SVG's with winner names or sth
20:33 <pleia2> not in terms of my time
and I don't know how to ship them 20:34 <knome> pleia2, right, that of course... feel free to opt-out
20:34 <pleia2> it's kind of a finicky thing
20:34 <knome> pleia2, put in bubble-wrap, ship
20:34 <knome> if it breaks, ship again
20:34 <knome>
20:34 <elfy> without the needle the second time
20:34 <pleia2> hehe
20:34 <bluesabre0> haha
20:34 <knome> maybe we could look into printing onto balloons :PP
20:35 <knome> those would be easier to ship
20:35 <elfy> not sure he'd like that knome
20:35 <knome> not inflated, that is
20:35 <skellat> But would Mr. Skaggs be okay with being printed on?
20:35 <knome> i'm sure he'd do that for the community.
20:35 <elfy>
20:35 <bluesabre0>
20:35 <knome> anyway, let's move on
20:35 <elfy> yep
20:35 <Unit193> #topic Announcements
20:36 <Unit193> #info Beta 2 on the 25th
20:37 <elfy> if we're lucky
20:37 <skellat> #info skellat remains on AskUbuntu patrol and even brought up an issue there relative to our flavor: http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/11946/tagging-xubuntu-when-ubuntu-is-meant
20:37 <Unit193> Anyone?
20:37 <elfy> no announcements from here
20:37 <bluesabre0> any freezes around the corner?
20:38 <bluesabre0> nope, not really
20:38 <knome> nope
20:38 <skellat> bluesabre0, I think the Kernel team have one coming up
20:38 <Unit193> Next one is final, so that'll be a bit.
20:38 <knome> next freeze is final freeze on oct 16
20:38 <knome> heh
20:38 <knome> fwiw,
20:38 <slickymaster> on october, 9 -> kernel freeze
20:39 <knome> #info All affecting freezes are added to the team calendar at http://xubuntu.org/team-calendar/
20:39 <knome> slickymaster, not affecting us
20:39 <Unit193> At least directly. So who's next for the meeting?
20:39 <elfy> slickymaster
20:40 <knome> slickymaster, want to schedule now?
20:40 <elfy> might be useful to have one next week post beta
20:40 <slickymaster> nopes, not yet
20:40 <skellat> #info Questions that need answering if people are not busy: http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/xubuntu
20:40 <knome> elfy, yep.
20:40 <Unit193> #action slickymaster to schedule the next meeting. 20:40 * meetingology slickymaster to schedule the next meeting.
20:41 <knome> slickymaster, once you are ready, ping me and i'll add it to the calendar
20:41 <slickymaster> thanks knome, but there's no need, I can do it
20:41 <ochosi> nice
20:41 <Unit193> Any objections?
20:41 <knome> slickymaster, oki!
20:41 <knome> nope
20:42 <Unit193> #endmeeting