<> <> = Training - How to run a Packaging Jam, dholbach 2010-03-04 = {{{#!IRC hello, bonjour and buenos dias! who's here for some jamming action? hola dholbach !!! hey malev malev: which loco are you from? dholbach: me! here is the jam talk? yep dholbach, buenos dias! cool! mucho español por aquí? hola ecanto - which loco are you from? no no, no Español :) dpm tried to teach me but I'm useless at spanish (or catalan) who else is here to talk a bit about jams and packaging jams? dholbach, brazilian nice ecanto! (: dholbach: is the jam session going to be here or in -meeting? here cool are you and your locos going to participate in the ubuntu global jam in a few weeks? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam it'll be 26th - 28th March 2010 this time I'm here for that! I wish here in Ar we could preparate a jam! dholbach: Florida has 3 jams planned nice I'm part of the Berlin team and we'll participate too does anybody have any general questions about setting up a jam? or concerns or ideas or anything? we can keep this very informal and just chat a bit dholbach: how to convince people to participate?? :D I think this is the hardest part malev: I personally think it's important to set the right expectations when you announce it or when you talk to people malev: promise them a good time if you tell them "hey, we all do development there", you might lose a lot of people who are interested but unsure about how they participate or those who want to come there to learn if it sounds too much like work, not as many people will attend yes, mhall119|work's absolutely right - it's totally about the fun of coming together, learning from each other and doing something cool nice we came together the last time and nearly spent the entire day there, got some lunch, some snacks and had fun free food helps too some were triaging bugs some were trying to package something others did some translations and others were just chatting which is totally fine :) and if you're just a few people in the beginning, you can always grow :) anybody else here participating? me! hey jamalta! which loco are you from? well, that depends on what you mean by participating :) dholbach: Florida ah nice! mhall119|work: pointed out that a class on packaging jams was going on, and i'm trying to host one during the global jam in orlando jamalta: you need to go register yourself as coming: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/15/detail/ mhall119|work: oh cool, i didn't know this existed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events has a few already too ok, let's move on to packaging jams particularly jamalta: what? I've been spamming the channel about it for weeks https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams has a list of different types of jams you can have at your event mhall119|work: i've also been very inactive in the channel for weeks :( it all depends on what kind of interest people in your loco have if they want to do something with translations and testing, you should have a look at that - or find somebody who's responsible for organising that part what we want in any case is update testing ara will talk about that separately in the next days I think so if you want to do something with packaging at the jam, it's very important you find out how experience the attendants are if you want to jump right in and most of your fellow loco members have never used a terminal before it might be a bit tricky :) right expectations... again :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Packaging has a bunch of important links and suggestions dholbach: is there a list of motu's per country? I wanna find some from Argentine to invite to the jam and maybe to give a talk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn for example is quite good if you want to demonstrate what packaging is about it's not necessarily "giving talks" (althought it's part of it), but more: trying together to make Ubuntu better malev: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+map is all Ubuntu developers not many from south america which we need to fix! :) so, what can you do? - demonstrate the material on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn dholbach: I can't believe there is not a single motu in Argentine a packaging jam might be a good start towards getting more! :) once you've covered a bit of ground and people played around with a few tools, you might want to take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO to find a few small bugs you might want to fix as a team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted is a place you might want to advertise too :) in terms of preparation it might make sense to have a local mirror (also if you do upgrade testing) so people can get the source code easily https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams has some information about that are there any more questions already? dholbach: why a mirror? for what? - I don't understand a mirror with the newest packages and sources from lucid sometimes you maybe are at a venue where you don't have fast internet particularly if you have alot of people there dholbach: so an apt mirror? is there a guide to setting one up? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams should have a link hang on dholbach: oh ok sorry! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade definitely does dholbach: also, wouldn't we want a mirror for karmic and lucid? we may have people using both jamalta: sure that might make sense, for development it usually is better if you work in the development environment you're working on so if you fix lucid bugs you want to test them in lucid dholbach: ah, makes sense, but are we supposed to make sure everyine is running lucid for the packaging jam? that might be a lot to ask for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases explains how to use a VM for example to run lucid in dholbach: oh fantastic! jamalta: one idea was to start the jams with an upgrade jam - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade would it be a good idea to have a Lucid VM ready for everyone that we could just copy? it would be faster that way i think dholbach: ah i see dholbach: that makes more sense jamalta: particularly because we want the lts upgrades to be well tested of course and the time of the ubuntu global jam should be after beta 1 ...if I remember correctly right so you'd hope the upgrade would just work :-) having the packaging jam clearly depends on the interest of your group dholbach: do you think it would be a good idea to do an upgrade jam followed by a packaging jam in the same day? or would that be too much? but it you have one, it's a lot of fun to find out about the tools that are used, to mess around a bit and if you manage to, maybe even fix a small bug I think that should be fine with a local mirror it should be really fast plus ara put up some great documentation about it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade dholbach: cool, thanks for the tips it should be a lot of fun :) do you guys have any questions? or anything you're wondering about? is there is place to submit the loco for a jam? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events we will have some more sessions about translations, testing/upgrade and packaging jams and more generally about organising jams it might be worth joining them or just hang out here generally also, your loco admins can add the event to loco.ubuntu.com there's so many great loco people here who know how to organise a great event there is a global event for "Global Jam", so we can track all participating events so far only Florida, Chicago and Quebec have added their events http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3/detail/ * dholbach need to get back to the Berlin team about the jam :) any more questions? if not now, just ask them later - there's always somebody around who can answer them :-) * dholbach hugs you all! mhall119|work: I'm trying to convince the people of the Argentine - team to joint the Jam, but I haven't got to much quorum so far :( dholbach: thanks! thanks dholbach thanks dholbach malev: trying to get them to hold a jam, or list it on loco.ubuntu.com? still trying :D malev: if you have people meeting in a city, that's a good start already - if you notice there's interest about bug work or packaging or anything else, try to find somebody who can be responsible for organising that part of the event :) malev: it'll be loads of fun I can guarantee you that :) you don't need many people for a jam, more than one will do :-) mhall119|work's right brb }}} ---- CategoryJam